Here are notes from our second session where we focused less on General Conference and more on who we are called to be as a congregation as we look beyond General Conference.
How many of you have had an experience like this, where you wanted to know God’s will for your life, or to be inspired in some way, so you opened the Bible and tried to find something, but ended up more frustrated than inspired? Or you made a commitment to read through the Bible, but had trouble understanding what you were reading or found yourself stuck in some way? That’s because this book is complex and difficult to understand as a whole without understanding certain rules for interpretation. This book is a collection of history, poetry, prophecy, song , letters, laws, arguments over laws, differing opinions, parables, stories, with some passages that are straightforward, and many that are highly symbolic, all taking place in a culture that is ancient and foreign to us…AND, on the other side, it is experienced as the Word of God, as divinely inspired, as transformative and so we find it extremely and even eternally valuable. It is so worth the effort and the internal struggle that it creates. And so, we keep coming back.
Before we look at some key scriptures, I want to talk some about methods for interpreting the scriptures. The big, seminary-level, word for this is hermeneutics (on screen). This word describes the systems we use to interpret scripture and draw our conclusions. When we do not have some clarity about what we are reading and how to read it, that’s when we get lost or come to decisions that may not be the most faithful and fruitful. Here are a couple of popular hermeneutical methods.
“Proof-Texting.” Have you heard this term? This is a very common method for interpreting scripture. Proof-texting is when we search for scriptures to prove an opinion.
The next one is a more positive variation of this method. I call it a focus on Devotional Verses. This is where we focus on key verses for inspiration and guidance. Employing this method, we focus on parts not the whole – key verses that speak to us. This method can be very helpful. At the same time, some caution is in order. Concerning our topic, a version of this method can be used to say that something is right or wrong. Someone might say, “The Bible says,” and then quote a verse as if that settles it. Then, perhaps, they can walk away feeling righteous without noticing how hurt others might be, or without dealing with all the other verses that might lead to a different or transformed perspective. We might think that we are glorifying God by upholding some ideal, and in reality, cause deep hurt to individuals and to the body of Christ.
To avoid this kind of harm, and to open ourselves up to true inspiration, we need a deeper hermeneutic or method of interpretation. Here are some key principles of what I call a Wesleyan Hermeneutic:
- All Scriptures are Inspired. We proclaim that all scriptures are inspired and contain all that is necessary for growth in salvation. The Bible is our primary source for understanding who we are called to be.
- There are Scriptural Keys to Help us to Interpret the Whole. There are key scriptures that help us interpret all other scriptures. We can call these “Master Texts” or Hermeneutical “Keys” that open up meaning within the scripture – and help us make determinations about what might be historically conditioned, or how to discern deeper truths beyond the words, or how to make decisions between different perspectives within the scriptures themselves (and yes, the scriptures are full of different perspectives). It is worth noting that Jesus used this principle when he summarized all of the law and prophets with the Great Commandment – Love God and Love your neighbor as a part of yourself. Wesley, following Jesus’ lead, called this love the “royal law.” So, for example, Jesus could fulfill the law, even as he broke the law or rebelled against the way the law had been applied around issues related to the Sabbath, to diet, to healing, to who could or could not be touched, to who to include. His guiding light was the “royal law of love.” And we could list other passages that serve as keys for us. Last week we looked, for example, at Ephesians 4:1-6 and I Corinthians 13: 1-8. (See Authority of Scripture, A Wesleyan Hermeneutic, and the Way Forward, for a deeper explanation).
- Read with Resources. Resources are needed and helpful — commentaries, language studies, interpretations from the tradition. As Methodists we “believe that the living core of the Christian faith is revealed in Scripture, illuminated by Tradition, vivified in personal Experience, and confirmed by Reason.” We call this the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. To make a connection with our topic, we might use this principle to ponder a distinction between marriage and unions/covenants. Would it be possible to honor and bless unions of anyone who desires to practice faithfulness and grow in the virtues of love, while also honoring the historic meaning of the term marriage? How might we apply scriptures to honor the diverse perspective within the body of Christ and actually grow in our ability to love one another? There are so many resources to help us.
- Behavior over Beliefs. Beliefs are so important, but the Holy Spirit is more concerned with behavior and using scriptures as a guide for how we treat one another. In the midst of our denominational struggle, I have heard many say that they have not made a decision because they are hoping for the Holy Spirit to show up and guide us into the right policy or plan. I see this a bit differently. As a Wesleyan, I am not focused on the Holy Spirit showing up with some extraordinary sign (Wesley talked a lot about this). I am interested in the ordinary everyday calling to represent God with patience, gentleness, humility, bearing one another in love, and being eager to maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. I might say that the Holy Spirit enjoys our variety of perspectives and is likely to not give us a uniformed perspective, because the point of it all is how we love one another. The Spirit is always revealed, less in our opinions, and more in how we treat one another in the sharing of our opinions. Even in the scriptures we see so much diversity of perspective. The scriptures do not give us uniform opinions but does give us a common calling. We need to be the church that focuses on that. Applying this principle, we could focus on behaviors around issues of human sexuality and give priority to the virtues that we want to promote – monogamy, faithfulness, commitment even when sacrifice is required, treating others with honor without objectifying them or using them only for our pleasure, and all the virtues of love. This level of consideration gets lost in the debate because the focus is on the physical dimension of sexual practice.
- Here are a couple of other principles, (briefly): “Discernment happens best in Community.” We engage in life together, not to come to agreement but to learn how to live as the body of Christ with all its blessed diversity. And for one more, “Our Calling is to Self-Examination over Judgement of Others.” Often when we engage the scriptures and truly practice holy conversation with others, we learn a lot more about our own prejudices and need for transformation than we do about what others might need or about how they should live.
At our tables, I want us to have some conversation around these principles using three passages that are not directly connected to the issue but speak to who we are called to be. I will read them with some commentary and then we will discuss them at tables and as a larger group, asking: Why is this in the Bible? What are some different ways to interpret this passage? How can we apply it today? What does this passage say about who we are?”
Genesis 11:1-9 – The Tower of Babel
- This passage is given the context of God calling the people to scatter and fill the earth…
- They want uniformity and safety, and it leads them to do some stupid things…
- Note their use of inadequate resources – baked mud and tar, instead of stone and mortar.
- Note their arrogance, believing that they made it to heaven and how God has to come down to see this tower.
Luke 4: 16-30 – Jesus in his Home Town
- Highlight dimensions of purpose he is given.
- The people are pleased, until he mentions God’s work through foreigners. With this they are enraged…
Ephesians 2: 14-22 – Christ is our Peace
- The word peace or shalom is about coming together and practicing faith together.
- Here God’s people are called back together, to give witness to God in a new way…
As a report, the conversation of the 80 people in the room was lively and inspiring. When we came back together, one of our youth acknowledged the diversity of views within the room, even on the issues at hand, and called us to stay united around something bigger. Another highlighted how stupid we can act when there isn’t someone to say, “Hey, maybe there’s another way to do this.” One pointed out how diversity is healthy in all ecosystems. One reflected on how hard it is to change – to “scatter,” to appreciate new “languages” — and yet that is what we are called to do. One reflected on how Jesus walked away and how he might do that with us if we fail to listen or become enraged by his challenge. In our current political climate, the need to break down walls and build diverse communities of peace did not go unnoticed, although when I picked the scriptures I was narrowly focused on issues within the church and did not make this connection. Maybe that was the Holy Spirit at work.
Next week we will apply these methods to some of the texts that are used in the debate before us, with emphasis on Romans 1.

ight we started an eight-session gathering at the Well (our Wednesday Night Program) leading up to General Conference. Here are my notes for session one, which was intended to set the tone and give an update on where we are at this point. The big goal for this process is clarity about who we are as a congregation, regardless of what happens in St. Louis…
Another popular argument against the One Church Plan involves the fact that different churches would have different policies on gay marriages or unions. A pastor might have to say to a visitor that some churches have voted to change the default policy of the church (which according to the plan is the traditional view). The concern is that we would not have a unified witness as a denomination.
“It’s really about the authority of scripture.” “Your interpretation undermines a high view of scripture.” These talking points are at the core of many arguments around the Way Forward. In light of this rhetoric, I want to think through the issue of hermeneutics (the system we use for interpreting the scriptures) and reflect upon how we might do this in a Wesleyan way. (It is a longer than usual post).
It is interesting to me that divorce figures so prominently in our debate on the way forward. In our Annual Conference, for example, one pastor wrote a beautiful reflection on how his own divorce led to a change of heart. This sparked a defense of divorce by others, arguing that we have permission to be gracious to the divorced and remarried, but there is no biblical justification to extend this same permission for same-sex unions, for one example.
From the previous post on marriage, divorce, and singleness, my radar has been up, and I have noticed some things. First, I noticed an AT&T commercial targeting people “moving out of the friend-zone and moving in together.” Right after this, I saw an ad for Chevrolet touting an SUV to help couples “move in together.” I am sure the marketers did their research and chose these words carefully. The word marriage was not used.
The term “human sexuality” is often used to characterize the debate before us. This strikes me as a bit disingenuous. It seems that we are so focused on one dimension of human sexuality, that we actually neglect our calling to be pastoral and prophetic in many dimensions of human sexuality — marriage, divorce, singleness, equality, roles, expectations, abuse, exploitation, and words in the lists in scripture like fornication and adultery. I want to explore Wesley’s guidance on some of these issues as they relate to our big debate — specifically looking at the purpose of marriage, the reasons for prohibitions on divorce, and the call to singleness.
In this series, the next word from Wesley is “sodomy.” Wesley uses this word in several places. While we often associate this word with sexual sin, and even homosexual practice, Wesley takes a much broader and more biblical view. In Wesley’s commentary, he uses this word to describe abusive and harmful actions against others. Wesley also uses the word “assault” to describe this sin. At another point, Wesley expands the meaning by highlighting what is said about the sin of Sodom in Ezekiel 16:49. In Wesley’s notes, he says that the sin of Sodom was “fullness of bread,” “excess in eating and drinking,” and Sodom’s refusal “to help strangers.” Arrogance, gluttony, and laziness in helping the poor were the source of Sodom’s fall. That’s straight from the Bible! In another place, Israel is compared to Sodom for their wickedness. This wickedness is defined as failure to seek justice for the oppressed, the orphan, and the widow (Note on Isaiah 1:9-17). Following the message of the prophets, Wesley wants to remind us that “Their doings were abominable, but thine have been worse.” (Note on Ezekiel 16:47). This broad and biblical view of the word gives us all cause to look in the mirror rather than project sin onto others.
In the previous post, I looked at key scriptures used to inform our current debate over same-sex relationships in the church. As a part of that post, another question surfaced for me: Did John Wesley have anything to say about this? Are there any direct references in this in the Standard Sermons or Notes on the Scriptures (which are part of our doctrine)? I did discover help here – and shared some of that in the previous post. With the next few posts, I will focus in more detail on some key words and concepts. First, I will explore the use of the word “effeminacy.” In following posts, I will explore his understanding of sodomy, marriage/divorce/singleness, the “vilest abominations,” holiness, and we’ll see from there. First up – the “effeminate.”
What about the Bible? What about Wesley? These are important questions in the midst of our struggles, as a denomination and as a congregation, around issues of sexuality and the future of the church. As a follow-up resource to our conversations on the “Way Forward,” this paper is an attempt to put my perspective on these questions into written form. While there are other texts, the focus here is on key New Testament passages, with some comments on what Wesley had to say about them, and then followed with some questions to lead us into our next gathering.